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  _] [_       "The Surprise Physical Synthesis Tape-Out Census"

                              by John Cooley

       Holliston Poor Farm, P.O. Box 6222, Holliston, MA  01746-6222
     Legal Disclaimer: "As always, anything said here is only opinion."


        "I don't want the cheese, I just want out of the trap."

              - Spanish proverb

 FOREWORD: I've personally verified each of the customer tape-outs listed in
 this report either by direct e-mail or phone with at least one engineer in
 the customer company mentioned.  (I estimate I've done around 300 to 500
 phone calls or e-mails over the past 7 days doing this count.)  Intentially
 excluded in this count are any unverified tape-outs even though the EDA
 vendor may be able to provide one of their own press annoucements
 supposedly "proving" the tape-out happened.


 12/05/00 - Synopsys, Inc. holds a big press conference where its CEO, Aart
            de Geus, announces he has 53 customer tape-outs for his physical
            synthesis tools & closed $50 million of business in this niche.

 12/07/00 - John Cooley, hoping to expose Aart's public exaggeration of 53
            physical synthesis tape-outs, calls for a public counting of all
            such tape-outs.  Cooley sets a 7 day deadline so none of the EDA
            vendors have time to rig the count.  The call goes out on ESNUG.

 12/08/00 - The "call for tape-outs" goes on EEtimes.com, EDAtoolsCafe.com,
            ISDmag.com, ElectronicNews.com, and EEdesign.com.

 12/12/00 - Cooley puts up the Rules for Counting up on DeepChip.com.

 12/13/00 - With only 24 hours remaining, Cooley gloats to EE Times that he
            has only found 26 tape-outs for Synopsys PhysOpt.  It begins to
            look like Aart has been caught in a public lie.

 12/14/00 - On the 7 day deadline, an embarrassed Cooley has to announce
            that he has found 50 Synopsys "physical synthesis" tape-outs.


   Synopsys "Physical Compiler (PhysOpt)" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   11/99   5+ M gates  180+ Mhz  nVidea       Santa Clara, CA       0.18
   11/99   3+ M gates    180+    Matrox       Montreal, Canada      0.18
   12/99  135 K gates            STMicro      Grenoble, France
   03/00  300 K gates   ~150     STMicro                            0.18
   04/00  290 K insts     80     STMicro      Agrate, Italy     0.25 STMicro

   04/00   5+ M gates    200     nVidea       Santa Clara, CA     0.18 TSMC
   05/00 ~500 K gates    180     TI Wireless  Dallas, TX            0.18
   06/00  6.5 M gates  133/266   Unisys       Minneapolis, MN     0.18 IBM
   06/00  700 K gates    100     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.25 STMicro
   07/00  290 K insts     80     STMicro      Meylan, France    0.25 STMicro

   07/00  1.5 M gates  100-200   Unisys       Minneapolis, MN     0.18 IBM
   07/00  300 K gates   ~125     Conexant     San Diego, CA         0.18
   07/00  600 K gates    110     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.25 STMicro
   08/00  150 K gates     24     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.18 STMicro
   09/00  300 K gates    120     Conexant     San Diego, CA         0.18

   09/00    7 K gates    200     Motorola     Austin, TX          0.18 TSMC
   09/00  3.5 M insts    250     nVidea       Santa Clara, CA     0.18 TSMC
   09/00                  54     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.25 STMicro
   10/00  160 K insts    ~80     Toshiba      Kawasaki, Japan    0.18 TC260
   10/00  400 K insts    200     Broadcom     Irvine, CA          0.18 TSMC

   10/00  150 K gates     24     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.25 STMicro
   10/00  470 K insts    450     Cray         Chippewa Falls, WI IBM 0.12 Cu
   11/00  830 K insts  100/133   Matrox       Boca Raton, FL      0.18 NEC
   11/00                  24     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.35 STMicro
   11/00  ~25 K insts    200     TI DSP       Dallas, TX            0.18

   11/00  150 K gates    120     Conexant     San Diego, CA         0.18
   11/00   40 K gates    622     STMicro      Carrolton, TX     0.25 STMicro
   11/00  287 K insts    175     TI Wireless  Dallas, TX          0.15 TI
   11/00  600 K gates   ~125     Conexant     San Diego, CA         0.15
   11/00   73 K insts    ~70     Toshiba      Kawasaki, Japan    0.18 TC260

   11/00   10 K gates    155     Hyperchip    Montreal, Canada    0.18 IBM
   11/00   79 K insts    100     LSI DSP      Dallas, TX            0.18
   11/00   80 K insts    160     LSI DSP      Dallas, TX            0.18
   12/00  290 K insts     80     STMicro      Meylan, France    0.25 STMicro
   12/00  110 K insts    140     Mitel Semi   Ottawa, Canada      0.18 TSMC

 * 12/00  230 K gates    133     Agilent      Corvallis, OR       0.18 HP
   12/00  310 K insts   50-200   STMicro      Grenoble, France  0.18 STMicro
   12/00    4 M gates    155     Hyperchip    Montreal, Canada    0.18 IBM
   12/00  150 K gates     24     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.18 STMicro
   12/00  1.8 M insts    200     nVidea       Santa Clara, CA     0.15 TSMC

   12/00  350 K gates    110     STMicro      Castelletto, Ity  0.18 STMicro
   12/00  5.0 M gates  266/300   Agilent      Ft. Collins, CO       0.18

    * - tape-out done using both Synopsys PhysOpt & Cadence PKS


   Synopsys "Chip Architect" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   10/99  100 K gates  100 Mhz   Avici        N. Billerica, MA    0.18 LSI
   10/99  300 K insts    100     Avici        N. Billerica, MA    0.18 LSI
   10/99  750 K gates    100     Avici        N. Billerica, MA    0.18 LSI


   Synopsys/Everest "FlexRoute" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 * 07/99    1 M gates  200 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA     0.18 LSI
 * 09/99    1 M gates  300 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA       0.18
 * 06/00    1 M gates  300 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA     0.18 LSI
 * 07/00    1 M gates  300 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA       0.18
   10/99    3 M gates  133 Mhz   SGI          Mountain View, CA     0.18

    * - designs made with Sapphire "FormIT" & Everest/Synopsys FlexRoute


 COUNTING NOTES: This gives Synopsys 42 verified Physical Compiler, 3 Chip
 Architect, and 5 (Everest) FlexRoute tape-outs.  Although many of the
 PhysOpt tape-outs also involved Chip Architect, each tape-out was counted
 only once.  Not counted was one FlexRoute/ChipArch 450 K inst, 125 Mhz,
 0.18 IBM tape-out by Nexsi of San Jose, CA because Nexsi replied after the
 12/14/00 deadline.  Also not counted were the following PhysOpt tape-outs:

   10/00  ~10 K insts  133 Mhz   Broadcom       Irvine, CA        0.18 TSMC
   11/00  ~70 K insts  104 Mhz   Moto Wireless  Austin, TX          0.18

 because they, too, came in past the Thursday deadline.

 Although Marketing VP Tom Ferry of Synopsys went on record in EE Times
 on-line (12/13/00) saying I hadn't yet counted the SGI tape-out, my SGI
 contacts told me that yes their design was close, but it's not a tape-out,
 so you won't find SGI list in the verified PhysOpt tape-outs above.


 COMMENTARY: Within the first few hours after I announced on ESNUG that I
 was doing this tape-out count, Synopsys Marketing contacted me to tell me
 how their count of 53 was conducted.  While I thought:

   Physical Synthesis Tape-Outs = Physical Compiler (PhysOpt) Tape-Outs

 they informed me that they used the formula:

   Physical Synthesis Tape-Outs = Physical Compiler (PhysOpt) Tape-Outs +
                                  Chip Architect Tape-Outs +
                                  (Everest) FlexRoute Tape-Outs

 Which very much surprised me at first.  After a little mumbling, I agreed
 to that standard but said that each tape-out counts only once - a combo
 PhysOpt/ChipArch tape-out is *one* tape-out -- not *two*.  They agreed.

 So, for the record, I found 50 tape-outs using *their* way of counting and
 I found 42 using *my* way of counting.


 Overall, after conducting this tape-out census, I feel that Aart had played
 me like a used guitar.  Or perhaps, more correctly, his Marketing weasils
 and field staff probably ran this under some code name like "Operation
 Spank Cooley".  Some very trustworthy people I know at STMicro went on
 public record claiming 20 tape-outs for Synopsys -- yet in 7 days I could
 only find 15 of them.  Also you won't find Toppan listed in the tape-outs
 even though Aart put their logo up on his slides as one of his tape-outs.
 Toppan just never contacted me.  If there really was only 53 tape-outs,
 there is *no way* I could have found 50 of them within 7 days of a surprise
 count.  The Synopsys field may have seriously hustled to get their physical
 customers to contact me within that deadline, but getting a 90+ percent
 response rate in that timeframe isn't statistically realistic.

 What this all tells me is that Synopsys probably really has 60-something
 (to possibly low 70 something) PhysOpt/ChipArch/FlexRoute tape-outs and
 that Aart gave himself a safety margin when he claimed those 53.

 Aart played me like a used guitar.


  [ Editor's Note: The tape-outs for Synopsys were recounted.  Please see
    http://www.deepchip.com/gadfly/gad122100.html for the final count. ]




 CADENCE "PKS"
 -------------

   Cadence "PKS" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   04/00   50 K gates  130 Mhz   EmpowerTEL   San Jose, CA           ??
   06/00   50 K gates    100     Agilent      Corvallis, OR       0.18 HP
   06/00  166 K gates    166     Agilent      Corvallis, OR       0.25 HP
   11/00  200 K gates    160     Geocast      Beaverton, OR       0.18 TSMC
   11/00   50 K gates    100     Agilent      Corvallis, OR       0.18 HP

   11/00  1.4 M gates   ~125     Intel        Chandler, AZ       0.25 Intel
 * 12/00  230 K gates    133     Agilent      Corvallis, OR       0.18 HP

    * - tape-out done using both Synopsys PhysOpt & Cadence PKS


 COUNTING NOTES: This gives Cadence PKS a total of 7 verified customer
 tape-outs.  I received an e-mail from one engineer in Motorola that spoke
 of a 31 Mhz 167 K gate, 0.35 mixed-signal chip tape-out, but I excluded it
 from the count because it turned out that all the PKS work was done by a
 Cadence consulting engineer.  This survey is a count of *customer*
 tape-outs, not EDA vendor "taxicab mode" tape-outs.  ("Taxicab mode" is
 where the EDA vendor drives the tool instead of the customer.)

 I counted one tape-out twice in this entire survey because the customer had
 seriously used both Synopsys PhysOpt and Cadence PKS on his design.  "Our
 dual PhysOpt/PKS tape-out was done because we ran into some run-time
 issues with PKS on that core.  It was taking 6 days to compile and we
 couldn't get any debug/improvement cycles in," reported Jay McDougal of
 Agilent.  "The PhysOpt run took about 1 day but had about 10% larger area.
 So, I used Ambit to get an initial netlist with the area savings and
 PhysOpt to get a placement.  I then returned to PKS after our internal scan
 insertion tool and clock tree generation to do the final timing tweaks.
 This allowed me to use the SE compatible global router in PKS, do
 incremental optimization based on that global route, and get less than 2%
 difference in pre- and post- final route timing in SE.  With a PhysOpt
 placement, we see 5-10% difference in pre- and post- route timing."


 COMMENTARY: Although Cadence marketing put out a press release on 9/13/00
 implying a PKS tape-out by Ericsson Microwave, no one from Ericsson ever
 stepped forward claiming such a PKS tape-out.  (I e-mailed and phoned
 Cadence Marketing  about this, but they never returned any of my repeated
 messages.)

 I was very impressed to see that 1.4 M gate, 125 Mhz Intel PKS tape-out.
 That's a nice feather for Cadence to have in its PKS cap.  Why Cadence
 marketing didn't bother to do a press release on this one, I know not.

 On the flip side, I was very surprised to not find a single PKS tape-out
 from Philips Semiconductor -- one of Cadence's biggest customers.  Also,
 even though Cadence CEO Ray Bingham kept using the phrase "proliferation"
 when he spoke of his company's physical synth tools in his last quarterly
 report, having only 7 customer tape-outs for PKS doesn't seem to indicate
 "proliferation" is the correct word to use here.

 Maybe it's just Ray's enthusiasm coming out here.



 MAGMA "BLAST FUSION"
 --------------------

   Magma "Blast Fusion" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company    Location              Fab/um
   -------------------------------------------------------------------------
   11/00  2.5 M insts  200+ Mhz  3Dlabs     Egham, Surrey, UK   0.18 IBM 7SF
   12/00  740 K insts    125     IMG Tech   Kings Langley, UK   0.18 TSMC
   12/00  800 K gates    200     NEC IC     Kawasaki, Japan     0.13 NEC


 COUNTING NOTES: This gives Magma a total of 3 verified customer tape-outs.
 I received an e-mail from a trusted user source that a few (2? 3?) more
 Magma tape-outs would be coming soon, but I didn't count these due to lack
 of details and my source wanted me to keep his news quiet.

 COMMENTARY: Rajeev Madhavan, the CEO of Magma (and who I think of as "the
 Don King of EDA") has been bragging to the Wall St. EDA analysts that he
 has "9 or 10 tape-outs" and he's going to close $50 million in business by
 March 2000.  Heeeeelllo!  MyFly!  Aart spanked me with 50 tape-outs and
 *he's* only claiming $57 million in physical bookings!  Rajeev has only
 3 tape-outs and he's dishing out that he has $50 million in business?!

 But it makes sense with Rajeev's burn rate.  He has something like 220 R&D
 engineers on staff.  This means he's conservatively burning through at
 least $2 million each month in investor dollars just paying their salaries.
 Add workstations, facilities, office space, sales travel, etc. and that
 could easily jump to $3 or 4 million each month Rajeev has to pay.

 Rajeev has to take over the world by storm.  Or go down in flames trying.



 MONTEREY "DOLPHIN"
 ------------------

   Monterey "Dolphin" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 * TBD      TBD         TBD      TBD          TBD                   TBD

    * - Monterey has no confirmed customer tape-outs yet.

 COUNTING NOTES: Counting 0 is pretty easy.  Here, I'll do a recount.  0.

 COMMENTARY: The CEO of Monterey, Jacques Benkoski, claims he has two
 customer tape-outs.  I found zero.  Because he's so behind in the game, he
 likes to put out FUD about what is and isn't a tape-out.  (In his mind,
 only P&R tools can do tape-outs.  There is no such thing as a Design
 Compiler tape-out as far as he's concerned.)  He also likes to pretend his
 tools are part of the mainstream design flow.

   Physical Compiler "doesn't tapeout designs," he said. "What they are
   doing is passing it to someone who is actually using a place and
   routing tool to complete the design.  That is truly taping it out."
   Benkoski said that many of Monterey's customers feed Physical Compiler
   netlists into Monterey's Dolphin Physical Design System, which they
   use to tapeout designs.

       - EE Times, 12/07/00

 How Jacques goes from two customers and no tape-outs to "many of Monterey's
 customers", I don't know.

 I'm happy that Monterey just recently got $25 million in mezzanine funding.
 They need it desperately.




 The Old Flow "Sandwich" Tools
 -----------------------------

 When I first did this call for tape-outs I received a few angry letters
 from Avanti and Avanti customers asking why I wasn't including Avanti
 Saturn in my tape-out call.  My answer to them is that Avanti Saturn,
 Cadence PBopt, and Synopsys "Floorplan Manager" are all old flow sandwich
 tools as far as I'm concerned.  They "sandwich" between RTL synthesis and
 P&R.  They start with gates and end with gates or possibly placed gates.
 They've been around for years and I'm sure Saturn, PBopt, & Floorplan Mgr.
 can easily claim hundreds, if not thousands, of customer tape-outs.
 There's no new information in tracking these old flow tape-outs.

 In contrast PhysOpt/PKS/Magma/Monterey aren't sandwich tools.  Their goal
 is to (at least eventually) go from Verilog/VHDL RTL all the way down to
 GDS II -- hence it's very interesting to track their tape-outs.

 There are 3 exceptions, though, to tracking "sandwich" flow tape-outs and
 that deals with how the newbie "sandwich" tools (Silicon Perspective,
 Mentor's TeraPlace, and Sapphire's "FormIT") are doing.



 SILICON PERSPECTIVE "FIRST ENCOUNTER"
 -------------------------------------

   Silicon Perspective "First Encounter" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   06/98    1 M gates  110 Mhz   Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.35 UMC
   09/98  1.3 M gates    120     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.25 TSMC
   11/98    1 M gates    125     Trident      Santa Clara, CA  0.25 Samsung
   07/99    1 M gates    125     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.21 UMC
   10/99    1 M gates    120     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.25 TSMC

   08/00  400 K gates     30     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.35 UMC
   07/00  1.5 M insts  110-200   Philips      Sunnyvale, CA      0.18 TSMC
   10/00  300 K insts     ??     Marvell      Sunnyvale, CA         ??
   11/00   49 K insts     66     HiNT         Fremont, CA        0.25 TSMC
   12/00  3.2 M gate     160     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.18 UMC

   Q2/98    1 M gates    120     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.25 TSMC
   Q1/99    2 M gates    150     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.20 UMC
   Q3/99  2.5 M gates    180     Trident      Santa Clara, CA    0.18 UMC
   Q1/00  1.9 M gates    133     S3           Santa Clara, CA    0.22 TSMC
   Q3/00   75 K insts    100     Marvell      Sunnyvale, CA        0.18

   Q3/00   65 K insts    100     Marvell      Sunnyvale, CA        0.25
   Q3/00   93 K insts    100     Marvell      Sunnyvale, CA        0.25
   Q3/00   71 K insts    100     Marvell      Sunnyvale, CA        0.18
   Q4/00  162 K insts    100     Marvell      Sunnyvale, CA        0.18
   Q4/00  2.1 M gates    145     S3           Santa Clara, CA    0.22 TSMC

    ??    1.2 M gates     75     Acute Comm.  Hsin-Chu, Taiwan   0.25 TSMC
    ??    256 K insts    100     AMD          Sunnyvale, CA      0.30 UMC
    ??    500 K insts    133     AMD (CPD)    Austin, TX         0.25 UMC
    ??    650 K insts     66     AMD (CPD)    Austin, TX         0.25 UMC
    ??    650 K insts     66     AMD (CPD)    Austin, TX         0.25 UMC

    ??    100 K insts    166     High Bndwd   San Jose, CA       0.35 UMC
    ??    2.4 M gates    100+    Kawasaki     San Jose, CA         KLSI
    ??    612 K insts    144     Sanyo        Gifu, Japan        0.25 IBM
    ??    431 K insts    114     Sanyo        Gifu, Japan          0.18
    ??    800 K inst      ??     SiS          Hsin-chu, Taiwan     0.18

    ??    1.2 M insts     ??     SiS          Hsin-chu, Taiwan     0.18
    ??     80 K insts     ??     Teralogic    Mountain View, CA  0.25 TSMC
    ??    450 K insts     ??     Teralogic    Mountain View, CA  0.25 TSMC


 COUNTING NOTES: This gives Silicon Perspective a total of 33 verified
 customer tape-outs.  I received an e-mail from the Kawasaki LSI CAD manager
 in Japan claiming that he had done 10 Silicon Perspective tape-outs for
 customers in Japan, but since he didn't include the details of each chip,
 I didn't those 10 as part of this tape-out count.  After the deadline, the
 very same manager sent me the data:

   Q3/00  700 K gates  110 Mhz   Kawasaki     Japan                0.18
   Q3/00  500 K gates     70     Kawasaki     Japan                0.25
   Q3/00  300 K gates     90     Kawasaki     Japan                0.25
   Q4/00  550 K gates     60     Kawasaki     Japan                0.25
   Q4/00  400 K gates    130     Kawasaki     Japan                0.25
   Q4/00  650 K gates    120     Kawasaki     Japan                0.18
   Q4/00  500 K gates    120     Kawasaki     Japan                0.25
   Q4/00  600 K gates    100     Kawasaki     Japan                0.18
   Q4/00  200 K gates     70     Kawasaki     Japan                0.35
   Q4/00  200 K gates     60     Kawasaki     Japan                0.25

 So I hate to be the bad guy, but I did state that at the beginning that I'd
 only count those tape-outs that came in by the Thursday, 12/14/00 deadline.

 COMMENTARY: Rules aside, if Silicon Perspectives went around bragging they
 had 43 tape-outs in this survey, I wouldn't go out of my way to say they
 were lying nor exaggerating.


  [ Editor's Note: The tape-outs for Synopsys were recounted.  Please see
    http://www.deepchip.com/gadfly/gad122100.html for the final count. ]



 MENTOR "TERAPLACE"
 ------------------

   Mentor "TeraPlace" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company    Location             Fab/um
   -------------------------------------------------------------------------
   09/99    2 M gates  200 Mhz   Cyrix      Richardson, TX   0.18 National
   12/99   41 K insts    600     Centar     Austin, TX          0.18 TSMC
   02/00    3 M gates    600     Cyrix      Richardson, TX        0.18
   05/00   50 K insts    733     Centar     Austin, TX          0.15 TSMC
   09/00   52 K insts    867     Centar     Austin, TX          0.15 TSMC

   09/00    8 K insts    120     Micronix   Newport Beach, CA   0.35 AMI
   12/00  300 K insts    100     Vitesse    Morrisville, NC     0.25 NEC

 COUNTING NOTES: Nothing unsual happened here.  I found 7 customer verified
 tape-outs for Mentor's TeraPlace tool.

 COMMENTARY: Looks like they're in the game, but only in a small way.  From
 the outside looking in, the little Silicon Perspective start-up is kicking
 big old Mentor's butt in this category.



 SAPPHIRE "FORMIT"
 -----------------

   Sapphire "FormIT" Customer Tape-Outs

   Date     Size        Clock    Company      Location             Fab/um
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 * 07/99    1 M gates  200 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA     0.18 LSI
 * 09/99    1 M gates  300 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA       0.18
 * 06/00    1 M gates  300 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA     0.18 LSI
 * 07/00    1 M gates  300 Mhz   Sandcraft    Santa Clara, CA       0.18
   12/00  500 K gates  133 Mhz   SiAccess     San Jose, CA        0.18 TSMC

   12/00  450 K gates  133 Mhz   SiAccess     San Jose, CA        0.18 TSMC

    * - designs made with Sapphire "FormIT" & Everest/Synopsys FlexRoute

 COUNTING NOTES: I found 6 customer verified tape-outs for Sapphire
 "FormIT".  Four of the 6 tape-outs are shared with Everest/Synopsys
 FlexRoute because the customer used both tools.

 COMMENTARY: During this whole tape-out count, I tried my best to stay in
 touch with each of the EDA companies involved.  I'd send them e-mails
 telling them the customer counts I found for their tools, talked to their
 marketing people, etc.  I did this with Magma, Cadence, Synopsys, Monterey,
 Silicon Perspectives, and Mentor.  The only people I couldn't reach was
 Sapphire.  I'd call them and even their main phone number bumped me to the
 receptionist's voicemail!  (Odd!)

 Then I found out that Sequence had just bought Sapphire.  No wonder no one
 was answering the phone at Sapphire -- they were all out Christmas shopping
 with the boatload of cash they got from Sequence.

     - John Cooley
       DeepChip.com                              Holliston, MA

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