( SNUG 10 Item 8 ) ---------------------------------------------- [04/15/10]
Subject: What 238 users think of Custom Designer vs. Virtuoso
APATHY RULES (Part III): Now it's Synopsys' turn to face the same customer
apathy that protects its near monopoly in the RTL synthesis and STA markets.
With a 78% user happiness rating for Cadence Virtuoso plus the fact that
this survey didn't even find *ONE* company that switched to Custom Designer
doesn't bode well for Synopsys in the custom layout space.
Ironically, the one company Aart truly hates, Magma, has the 9% second place
in custom layout with its Titan tool. (See ESNUG 480 #4.)
With regards to Synopsys Custom Designer, our group... (choose):
1- We're sticking with Cadence Virtuoso, it's the best price.
: ######################## 24%
2- We're sticking with Cadence Virtuoso, it's best technology.
: ###################################################### 54%
3- We're considering Synopsys Custom Designer now.
: ####### 7%
4- We've already switched to Custom Designer.
: 0%
5- We're considering (name other tools) to replace Virtuoso.
: 0%
6- We've already switched to (name tool).
Magma Titan : ######### 9%
Springsoft Laker : #### 4%
Tanner L-Edit : ### 3%
Comments?
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We do not see Synopsys as an analog force.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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SNPS tools are not yet robust to replace Virtuoso.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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Virtuoso. Why switch? Too much pain for too little benefit.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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Most difficult to switch off Cadence due to decades of customized
scripts and Pcells.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We're staying in CDS 5.0 deck. It is difficult for the total company
to to switch new Artist, Virtuso-XL tools.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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It's hard to take an entire group and switch a manually-intensive
package like layout. We have not evaluated Custom Designer. We
are looking at it, though.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We're sticking with Cadence Virtuoso, it's best technology. But,
we're considering Synopsys Custom Designer now. We are always
looking to replace Cadence tools.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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It's questionable whether Virtuoso is best technology but as a
company, our long history with Cadence means we will be slow to
move elsewhere.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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Use Virtuoso. However, we are evaluating Custom Designer now.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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Not sure if it's the price. I hear a lot of complaints about our
Cadence full custom environment. Who knows what my colleagues may
decide upon in the future. This, however, is not simply about just
replacing one tool.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We've already switched to Viewdraw + Silicon Canvas Laker.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We use Laker
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We already use Magma.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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Micromagic and Magma
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We're using Tanner tools.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We use Mentor ICflow (da_ic, ICstation)
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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Our layout is outsourced.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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We're using an internal Intel tool.
- [ An Anon EDA User ]
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