( SNUG 10 Item 5b ) --------------------------------------------- [04/22/10]

Subject: How 238 users see "Primary EDA Vendor" pitch (part II)

I DON'T GET IT (Part II):  Synopsys Corporate Marketing openly insults its
base by asking users to commit to a Primary EDA Vendor deal that customers
generally don't want.  (See SNUG10 #5a.)  I don't get it.  Why?

    Could you please name (by company) all the different EDA vendors
    your company uses to get from design algorithms to GDSII tapeout?

     Synopsys :  ################################################# 94%
      Cadence :  ############################################ 87%
       Mentor :  ######################################### 81%
        Magma :  ######### 18%

       Denali :  ############## 27%
      Atrenta :  ############# 26%
   Springsoft :  ############ 25%
       Apache :  ########## 19%

       Xilinx :  ######### 17%
       Altera :  ####### 13%
        Actel :  # 2%

    Mathworks :  ######## 16%

   Extreme-DA :  ##### 10%
       Tanner :  #### 7%
     Atoptech :  ### 6%
   RealIntent :  ### 4%
     Incentia :  ## 3%
        Azuro :  ## 3%
        Oasys :  .4%

       others :  ################## 37%

With this and other data, I estimate the average engineering group whose
flow goes algorithm-to-GDSII uses tools from 8 different EDA suppliers.

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Mathworks
  Xilinx
  Mentor
  Cadence
  Atrenta
  Altos
  Azuro
  Novas
  Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Magma, Synopsys, Mentor, Cadence, Intel, Denali, Atrenta, SpringSoft,
  Xilinx, Altera, IBM, Extreme

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence
  Mentor
  Synopsys
  Magma
  Synchronicity
  Pulsic
  Xilinx
  Pinebush
  Denali
  Z-Circuit

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor, Denali, ICmanage, Platform are the main ones.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Cadence
  Mentor
  Apache
  Atrenta
  Springsoft/Novas
  Denali

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Atoptech, Atrenta, Extreme, Denali, Cadence, Mentor, Magma, Synopsys,
  Mathworks, Apache

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Mentor, Cadence, Extreme, Atoptech, Synopsys, Denali, Apache,
  Springsoft, Atrenta

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence
  Mentor
  Synopsys
  Springsoft
  Arm
  Xilinx
  Denali

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Mathworks, Cadence, Synopsys, Agilent, Cliosoft, Atrenta, Denali,
  Altera, Xilinx

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor, Forte, Sequence (Apache)

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Cadence
  Incentia
  Mentor

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor, Denali, Real Intent

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Almost every EDA vendor known.  ;-)

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys, Apache, Denali

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  SNPS for DC
  CDNS and SNPS for simulation
  Atoptech for P&R
  Extreme DA for STA
  Calibre for DRC
  Denali for mem
  Apache for noise

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence Design, Mentor Graphics, Aldec, Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  We have an enterprise account with Synopsys.  Our company also uses
  tools from Cadence, Apache, Atrenta, Mentor, etc.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Mentor, Xilinx, Altera

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Cadence, Springsoft, Mathworks, Ansys, Altos, Atrenta

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Tanner, Synopsys, Mentor, Xilinx, Verilator

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence
  Mentor
  Tool Corporation
  Atrenta

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Denali
  Mentor (frontend)
  Synopsys PrimeTime
  Cadence (backend)

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Mentor, Cadence

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Mentor, Altera, Springsoft, Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Apache, Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys, Denali

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys, Denali

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor Graphics, OneSpin, Xilinx, Altera

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  SNPS, Springsoft/Novas, Xilinx, Cadence, others.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Mentor, Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Altera, Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Mentor, Azuro, Actel

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  SpringSoft
  Cadence
  Synopsys
  Mentor
  Magma

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  MathWorks
  Ansys
  Comsol
  Synopsys (DC, PT, SC-Lib characterization)
  Cadence (FC Design Entry, SC P&R, FC Route, STA, simulation,
           layout verification (older technologies))
  Mentor Calibre

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Cadence
  Cliosoft
  Altos
  plus other smaller vendors for use on isolated problems

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  CADENCE
  SYNOPSYS
  CALIBRE

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Synopsys, Xilinx & Altera with lots of GNU support

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Synopsys, Atrenta

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence
  Synopsys
  Mentor/Olympus
  Mentor C Synthesis
  Atrenta

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Mathworks, Synopsys, Cadence, Silicon Canvas, Mentor Graphics

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Cadence
  Mentor
  Silvaco
  Tanner

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  MENTOR SIERRA APACHE CADENCE SYNOPSYS

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Matlab
  Synopsys
  Cadence
  Mentor
  Tanner
  Expressive systems

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Atrenta, Cadence, Denali, Mentor, Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Atoptech
  Mentor
  LogicVision
  Cadence
  Extreme

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Atrenta
  Cadence
  IBM (ClearCase)
  Mentor
  Synopsys
  and a few more small ones.
  No more Magma, with the exception of a few "old" projects.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  We use Synopsys, Mentor, Cadence, Incentia, Oasys.

  Our customers use: Synopsys, Mentor, Cadence, Atoptech, Magma.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Atoptech
  Apache
  Cadence
  Mentor Graphics
  Extreme-DA
  Oasys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Mentor, Synopsys (+Synplify)

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor, Magma, Novas

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----
  Synopsys
  Novas
  IBM

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor, Mathworks, Ansoft.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Mentor, Matlab, SNPS

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Used Synopsys DC, Primetime, Tetramax
  Mentor MBIST Architect
  custom tools and scripts
  Magma layout
  Texas Instruments proprietary tools

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Cadence
  Denali
  Novas
  Platform
  Synopsys

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  IBM, Synopsys plus Synplicity

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys VCS, DC, Encounter, PTSI,
  Atrenta Spyglass
  SpringSoft Verdi
  Mentor Calibre
  Cadence PowerMeter, Virutuoso, Conformal LEC, VoltageStorm.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  We use the 3 majors tools for design, debug and verfication.  We also
  use Atrenta SpyGlass and Springsoft Verdi in debug and verification.
  We use both DC and Cadence RC for synthesis.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor, Real Intent

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Synopsys
  Cadence
  Mentor for DFT (but not our project - we use TetraMAX)

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  TI proprietary tools.
  Magma, Cadence, SNPS.
  Azuro?
  Don't know of any Mentor usage.

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]

         ----    ----    ----    ----    ----    ----   ----

  Magma, Mentor, Cadence, Synopsys, Denali, Apache

      - [ An Anon EDA User ]
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