( SNUG 05 Item 21 ) ---------------------------------------------- [12/20/05]
Subject: Users Rate Synopsys Overall
SCHADENFREUDE -- Oh, yea, did I forget to tell you that last year I did this
survey with almost the exact same questions for Cadence in 2004?
Overall, how do you rank Cadence vs. the other EDA companies you've
dealt with? (Choose one) Far better, far worst, about average?
Far better: ########### 21%
About average: ############################ 56%
Far worst: ############ 23%
The same question for Synopsys in 2005:
Overall, how do you rank Synopsys vs. the other EDA companies you've
dealt with? (Choose one) Far better, far worst, about average?
Far better: ################### 38%
About average: ########################### 54%
Far worst: ##### 9%
Synopsys has about 1/2 the "far worst" votes Cadence has; so Aart can now
run around bragging that his company sucks less than Cadence does. Synopsys
also has roughly 2X the "far better" votes over Cadence; so Aart's also OK
if he runs arounds saying his company ranks far better than Cadence, too.
(I generally ignore the "about average" votes because they're really neutral
when you think about. Who wants to be "average"?) My congrats to Synopsys.
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Better. I've found Synopsys to be a lot more sensitive to little guys
like Tallika than the other 1/3 and 1/3 folks. I've found this to be
true for technical & business responsiveness.
- Neel Das of Tallika Corp.
Far better.
- Sunil Malkani of Broadcom
Far worse. My answer is based on my indirect experiences with Synopsys.
It reflects my general feeling that Synopsys has excessively limited
what 1076.6-1999 considers "synthesizable" due to its arbitrarily chosen
limitations.
- Robert Matarazzo of BAE Systems
Grade C work in a Grade D world for the tools I use day in / day out:
Astro PhysOpt DC Primetime
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Average in the overall (they all suck, and when they become big, they
become slow)
- Yossi Levhari of Verisure
Synopsys is the devil you know; any change requires painful and lengthy
learning and retraining.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average now being that many of the companies are much more
responsive to customers than in the past.
- Russell Petersen of Scientific Atlanta
Far better ..... better!
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
They've historically set the gold standard. But Magma's integrated tool
package is an enormous advantage. For that reason I have to put Synopsys
slightly behind Magma.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Losing ground
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Synopsys is far worst than Magma.
- John Schritz of Tektronix
Better.
- John Gedde of Aeroflex Laboratories
A bit better, but more expensive.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
The best from an eng perspective, not that great from a sales perspective.
- Jay Pragasam of Open Silicon Inc.
Currently above average. (Two years ago I'd rate them far worst.)
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
average
Cadence > Synopsys > Magma > Sequence
- Benjamin Chen of Socle Tech.
Average.
- Chih-Hao Chung of Ali Corp.
Far worst. I would rather not do business with them.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
We suffer the burden in silence.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About the same overall.
- Gzim Derti of Agere
"Far better" would be a stretch, "better" is closer to the truth.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
OK - Not great, not bad.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Mentor does have the highest quality on service. I at least see a local
support engineer a couple to three times a year. Synopsys below average.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Better.
- Garrett Godfrey of Imagination Technologies Ltd.
Worst than Cadence.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
I'd give Synopsys the advantage, though not "far better".
The frustrating thing with Cadence is that while they have powerful
point tools, in a few years they may buy more startups, dump the
current generation of tools, and you have to start all over again.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
about average
- Brendan Barry of S3 Ltd.
Better but not by much
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
about average (i.e. just as bad as the rest)
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average.
- David Smith of STmicroelectronics
An Arrogant leader
Need to support better and listen to small medium customers.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average, although a bit too "sitting back, smug and superior"
when it comes to synthesis tools. Guys, HELLO, you're losing synthesis
marketshare. Don't you think there might be a reason for this?
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average.
- Kevin Broe of Britestream Networks
Far better.
- John Gray of Atmel
About average but have size and support/sales advantage
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average / a little better.
- Tom Mannos of Sandia National Laboratories
They are a little above average.
So far a lot of claims about VCS but we see that it's not supported yet
and one needs special license for NTB. We like ideas about VCS but are
skeptical about the implementation and quality.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Better.
- Are Arseth of Atmel
Better
- David Black, consultant
About average to slightly better.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
For the top tier (Synopsys, Cadence, Mentor, Magma) suppliers, below
average.
Against all suppliers, average.
Prices are high, terms are poor, but usability and quality are OK.
The condescending attitude of "our way is the only way" gives Synopsys
a big minus.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Far better.
If given more choices, I'd say "somewhat better". I've been exposed to
Design Compiler since 1988. Synopsys has continually, dramatically
improved it over that time. When I think of most other EDA tools
from most other EDA vendors, they tend to show very little improvement
of their tools over time, before they will simply replace the tools
with a new one, or leave the un-improved tool as their offering. So,
on a technical side, Synopsys is far better. From the point of support,
or sales, or pushiness with new tools, Synopsys is about average.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Bad
- Dinesh Venkatachalam of Legend Silicon
Average to good, Cadence sales seem to be more helpful.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Synopsys has been good to me, way way ahead of Cadence.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Support is better than Cadence in my experience, about the same as Mentor.
Products are good, not always the best e.g. Formality vs. Conformal.
In synthesis and place and route tools I think Synopsys are far better.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
A bit better than average.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
average
- Joe Xu of Huawei Technologies
Far better, considering they know how to document and transmit their
knowledge to their customer.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
They are on the top for now, mostly on marketshare. I'd love to see
them stumble in more accounts to Magma as that will help to bring more
improvements in the market as a whole.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average.
- Mike Olson of Insyte Corp
About average, definitely not hungry. Most others are definitely
hungry.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
With my experience, I rate Synopsys better than other vendors.
- Wanhao Li of Zoran
About average overall. Not good enough to keep loyalty however.
Shopping around is a must in this stagnant market.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About average
- Nandakumar Natarajan of Agilent
Better. Maybe even far better.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Would rank as better (probably not far better).
Self-Support/documentation from Synopsys has always been much better
than other EDA companies.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
About Average except on price, then far worse!
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Average. Software that's expensive and buggy. Slow to add new, really
useful features. Tools that worked pretty well, but could use some
investment to improve them get swapped out for brand new code bases
(e.g., the DVE GUI for VCS) acquired from somewhere else that are harder
to use (the way I want to use them) and leave out features present in the
old tool. But that's an engineer's life. Arg!!
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Slightly better
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
I would rank them as the best.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
Far worst, but a model for several
- Richard of Reindl of L-3 Communications
I should say it's about average. Often their tools have bugs and it
takes them a long time to fix them.
- Larry Ping of BroadLogic Network Technologies
Far Better. They do more than just sell you tools. They want to make
you successful and follow through on making sure you can get the total
job done.
- Lauren Carlson of StarGen Inc.
Like Microsoft. Not outstanding, or even very good, but you have to go
with them because they set the standards.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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