( DAC 12 Item 4 ) ----------------------------------------------- [09/20/12]
Subject: Magma, Atoptech, Olympus-Soc, Encounter, IC Compiler was #4 at DAC
MAGMA FEEDING FRENZY: When Rajeev announced in Nov'11 the SNPS-LAVA merger,
it had two effects. The first effect is overall digital P&R tool prices
have, or will, go up by 17.5%. (See ESNUG 507 #5) This means the $513
million ASIC layout niche will grow to $600 million in 2012!
GSEDA 2010 digital P&R market share
Synopsys IC Compiler : ############################## $303 M (59%)
Cadence Encounter : ############ $123 M (24%)
Magma Talus : ###### $57 M (11%)
Mentor Olympus-SoC : ### $26 M (5%)
AtopTech : $3 M (1%)
The second effect is the remaining 4 digital P&R players are in a feeding
frenzy to get those LAVA customers to switch over to their tool.
"This is a reaction by the anything-but-Synopsys crowd," said Gary Smith.
"TI was moving away from Synopsys to use both Magma and Cadence; they were
not at all happy about Aart acquiring Magma. I suspect TI is looking at
AtopTech to replace Magma and will keep Cadence Encounter."
"I'm hearing a lot of people talk about buying AtopTech; especially from
the Tier 2 customers." added Gary. "I haven't finished my Market Trends
2012 Report yet, but I'm sure Mentor Olympus-SoC is still #3 after ICC and
Encounter."
Anyway, these four ICC/Encounter/Olympus/Atoptech digital P&R tools taken
together were the #4 most interesting tools users saw at this DAC'12.
"What were the 3 or 4 most INTERESTING specific tools you
saw at DAC this year? WHY did they interest you?"
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We spent DAC looking at Olympus and Encounter. Replacing Talus.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Do you have any reviews on Atop or Olympus? The latest I've
seen on DeepChip are two years old.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Too soon to tell who's ahead. Possibly Encounter or Atoptech.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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We're interested in Olympus as a block tool inside an ICC PD
environment, but the fast prototyping and floorplanning with
deep hooks into Calibre has us interested in possibly using
Olympus as a main PD tool. It's macros tuning/placement and
clock tools seem powerful, too.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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1. Atoptech
2. Olympus-SoC
3. IC Compiler
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I like the new stuff in Encounter.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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3. Olympus with Calibre ties
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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1. Cadence's newest version 12 specific for 20 nm and below with
dual pattern colorization using iPVS.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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1. ICC
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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"Best" all depends on the deal Lip-Bu gives us! :)
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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2. Atop
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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2. Encounter
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Mentor Olympus has lots of 20 nm features. In routing it auto
fixed DP violations. Lots of coloring features like anchoring,
pre-coloring, coloring-aware extraction. Calibre sign-off
inside Olympus.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Atoptech had OCV and POCV for 20 nm. Floorplanning. Chip
assembly. MCMM. Dynamic scenario selection for sign-off.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I was impressed with how Olympus did wires across multiple metal
layers. Did interconect re-synth, layer promation, via opto,
plus critical path straignening.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Equal tie for Atoptech and Olympus
Can't afford SNPS or CDNS
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Couldn't attend DAC. Busy in PNR benchmark.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Goodbye Magma. Looks like we now use ICC. Hello learning curve.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I'm mad at Rajeev for selling out. Talus and BlastFusion got
great block QOR + easy to use. Now we must start all over with
a new tool that will be hard to use for mediocre QOR.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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1. Magma Talus
2. Extreme-DA GoldTime
3. Nassda HSIM
Aart's not very popular at my company.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Cadence Encounter Digital for TSMC 20 nm. Had an ARM Cortex A15,
used CCOpt (Azuro) to optimize clocks and data-path at the same
time. 10% speed-up. 100 M instance floorplanning. DP. ECOs.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I was happy with Talus. Why did Rajeev abandon us?
Then again, I'd walk too for $500 million dollars. :)
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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