( ESNUG 517 Item 4 ) -------------------------------------------- [01/17/13]
Subject: 68% of EDA USERS see the SNPS-EVE merger as Neutral or Good News
USE OTHER OR DON'T USE: An interesting proportion of EDA users (28%) either
didn't use emulation (12%) -- or used Palladium/Veloce/homegrown emulation
(14%) to the point where they didn't care (48%) about the SNPS-EVE merger.
Q: After weeks of denial, Synopsys today offically announced
it bought EVE and its ZeBu emulator. Rumor is Aart paid
around $150 million for the deal.
For your company, this Synopsys-EVE merger is (choose one)
GOOD news, BAD news, NEUTRAL news because (say why):
GOOD: ########## 21%
BAD: ############### 31%
NEUTRAL: ######################## 47%
Here's the specific reasons of "why" the 213 EDA users gave to explain their
reaction to the SNPS-EVE merger.
less emulation competition: ############ 24%
more emulation competition: ##### 11%
we don't use emulation: ###### 12%
use Palladium/Veloce/homegrown: ####### 14%
means better integration: ## 5%
means worse integration: # 3%
EVE and SNPS are the same: # 3%
EVE needed money/help: # 2%
Synopsys supports sucks: ###### 12%
I hate lawsuits: 1%
EDA user opinion split on how SNPS-EVE impacted competition; 24% felt that
SNPS-EVE means less competition, higher prices, and more SNPS monopoly; but
11% felt that SNPS-EVE means more competition for customers against Cadence
Palladium and Mentor Veloce 2, lowered prices, etc.
And a noticeable segment of current EVE Zebu users greatly fear how customer
support will decline after the merger.
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Bad News. We were probably going to make a purchase in the next few
months, now we have to deal with Synopsys sales, and an EVE support
structure that will be distracted.
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Neutral. ZeBu from SNPS or EVE. It's all the same.
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BAD news coz less players mean less competition, less innovation,
less choices/freedom, and more type of monopoly
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Neutral News as buying a company doesn't mean buying their philosophy.
SNPS needs to propound that soon for their EVE customers.
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It will probably not impact our decisions if ZeBu's from EVE or Aart.
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NEUTRAL, don't use, probably won't use in the near future.
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It is GOOD news, since EVE will be under Synopsys which gives them
a better financial standing and lot more Verification IPs that will
be acceleration friendly and available for use with ZeBu emulator.
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Good news - more "umph" behind the Zebu products forces all
emulation vendors to make better products.
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Neutral. We use another emulator technology.
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BAD news. SNPS getting bigger, more MicroSoft-ish.
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Neutral.
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GOOD : synergy of different tools make the Synopsys ecosystem more
complete.
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Neutral. ZeBu is not going away. It's just moving to Moutain View.
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Neutral. Same stuff, different sales guy.
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Bad. EVE support will go down the toilet. SolvNet HELL for us.
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This merger might be good news as we expect overall ZeBu quality to
improve -- Synopsys synthesis and partition tools, debug capability,
etc -- with better integration for Synopsys tools.
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Our concern is increased cost and longer time for EVE support calls.
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NEUTRAL.. because we use Cadence Palladium
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NEUTRAL, we are not using EVE products anymore.
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GOOD since it is another good financial exit for VCs and a French
company, so it proves VCs should continue to invest in EDA start-ups.
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Neutral because my company does not use emulation anymore :-(
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BAD news, if Synopsys uses this for suing Mentor. That takes the
focus from evolving their products to lawyers.
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Synopsys is simply growing their verification footprint. Acquisitions
like this are so ho-hum these days anyway.
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GOOD news. Some hope for another quality choice for emulation with
Aart backing ZeBu.
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BAD news, not because we are an EVE customer, but because Synopsys is
increasingly becoming too big of a gorilla and acting accordingly.
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This is a bad news because EVE is going to the SNPS VG group whereas
SNPS SG group (erstwhile Coware and Virtio) have flows with EVE.
The internal competition within SNPS groups is going to kill the flow
so its time for customers to think of alternatives.
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Neutral news because it's not a tool which I would use at this time.
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GOOD.
When we chose Palladium we never even considered EVE, if it had been
part of SNPS we would have. More options for us, so that's good.
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I think it is definitely good for SNPS but I keep thinking they are
killing the free market. They buy either to kill the competition or,
as in this case, to increase/preserve their income.
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Good news.
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BAD: Even for people who do not use the ZeBu emulator, further
consolidation of the EDA industry is not in the users' best interests
since it drives up prices and stifles innovation.
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We work with both, Synopsys and EVE, there is very good support from
both. One could expect that Synopsys would bring Zebu tools into
better compliance with the VCS verilog subset, which would be a good
news, if this happens in reasonable time frame. This merges is between
NEUTRAL and GOOD from the support and technical point of view.
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Neutral.
If this suggests more serious competition for Cadence and Palladium
then the merger looks good.
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NEUTRAL.
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BAD news. Synopsys' licensing restrictions on tool use in university
research is far too restrictive (essentially for training only).
SNPS says if there is *any* potential for future industrial benefit
including start-ups coming from the university research then the
university has to buy a commercial seat *today*.
That's naive, unlike their competitors, and therefore translates to
BAD news for researchers who could benefit from EVE ZeBu emulators.
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NEUTRAL.
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BAD. I hate SNPS eating up a high-quality-innovation-and-USER-FOCUSED
player to digest them in SNPS-way-of-life MARKET-FOCUSED tools. See
Synplicity. Curious what will become of highly responsive and open
customer support from EVE in coming years.
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Bad, because eventually SNPS will have even more mind share. It's a
one stop shopping eventually. They will know everything we do!
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BAD News
Strengthens the power of Synopsys over its customers that previously
had an independent FPGA prototyping vendor with EVE. Now, with HAPS
plus EVE it's just Synopsys. Pity vendors that integrated with EVE.
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NEUTRAL news.
And surprising news. I've heard many, many times from Synopsys Sales
that "You don't need it!". They claimed emulation is too expensive.
I've heard VCS has performance trouble. Does it explain why they
accepted Intel's request to buy EVE?
Soon or later, Synopsys will transfer the technology from EVE to their
R&D in India. This will be the death of the product line because the
complexity requires huge experience. It takes years to understand
emulation complexity and Synopsys is looking for short term return
on investment.
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It's NEUTRAL to me.
I am not sure why SNPS pays that much money on this FPGA-based
simulation acceleration, but as we are using only custom-made
multi-FPGA boards, EVE's operation is not much concern to us.
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BAD! Consolidation of emulation/prototyping/debug gives more
power to the big guys.
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I would say BAD. Maybe that's hypocritical, because my company
acquires smaller companies as a norm of business. In the EDA
industry, there just seems to be fewer and fewer players.
Not sure that's healthy for competition/innovation.
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Neutral: we don't use these products.
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Emulation is for weaklings. Grow a pair and hire competent designers
that own a pair. Hey I kinda like that. :-) No really, I've had
mixed results with emulation, time/money is better spent elsewhere.
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GOOD news because as a Synopsys user, we dream about integration...
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GOOD news. It improves Synopsys's verification and improves
acceleration competition in the industry.
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GOOD. Helps compete vs. Veloce and Palladium.
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NEUTRAL. My company does not use this emulator. We make our own.
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BAD.
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SNPS-EVE merger is NEUTRAL. Do in-house FPGA emulation.
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NEUTRAL - We do not use EVE or its emulator.
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Neutral for most of us here. I think we have some Palladium boxes
that a few groups use, maybe it will drive down the license costs
of those, I dunno.
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Neutral because we already have Cadence Palladium.
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It is neutral news. I don't think the ZeBu emulator affects us.
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BAD News short term because it will take at least a year or more
for Synopsys to sort through all of the prototype solutions it has
acquired over the years, and this will hurt EVE in the short term.
GOOD News long term because having each of the major players having
an emulation/acceleration solution should bring prices down.
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This merger is neutral to my group because we don't use EVE.
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Neutral -- For designs we use FPGA-Reference boards to prototype.
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NEUTRAL.
On the one hand, it improves competition in this market. On the
other hand, our company is already invested in Veloce 2, and a
transition to new hardware is unlikely.
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Neutral - using Mentor Graphics tools & flow.
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Neutral. We don't use hardware emulators.
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Bad news, SNPS is killing the market, and I don't see advantages
for users.
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GOOD news because emulation is a growing market and competition
will help drive down the cost for consumers.
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Good: Better chance that my company will look at EVE technology.
Bad: More EDA industry consoliadation means higher prices, less
interoperability and slower innovation.
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Bad news. EVE will eventually become Synopsys-centric and lose
its appeal as "vendor" neutral for compatibility issues.
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BAD news. EVE, up to now, has been among the best choices for
(relatively) low cost emulation. Historically, acquisitions of
this nature result in higher pricing and a reduction in the
quality of support and innovation.
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I would say NEUTRAL due to the fact that Mentor and Cadence have
(as we know) working solutions!
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BAD: Competition is good; more choices, more innovation, less
answering to bigger and greedier stock holders. Emulation is
becoming more and more critical to design success due to bigger
SOCs (with more CPUs) to verify and slower VCS sims.
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Good if they keep EVE technical support level the same and
maintain the same product roadmap as the small company will
do. This usually does not happen.
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NEUTRAL news
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NEUTRAL, I don't personally use EVE tools.
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This is BAD news to us.
That's because, afterwards, there is a possibility that Zebu's
support on Questa and IES will become less and less. We liked
Zebu because it was independent from simulator vendors.
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It's not good at all.
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NEUTRAL, but I do not appreciate Synopsys for buying so many
companies in a short time.
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BAD. Reduces competition so worse for customers.
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BAD news. Cost will go up, Synopsys tool list price is very high.
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BAD News - No more competition in the EDA industry. Synopsys is
turning the market into a 2-3 player game.
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BAD news, we will pay more money to buy EDA tools.
And as Synopsys acquire more company and the business get bigger,
their support and service get worse than before.
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GOOD news.
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This acquire is a GOOD news for us.
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GOOD.
Strong competition to Palladium will make things better for emulation
users.
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NEUTRAL: Such solution is not so urgent for us. The solution is
expensive, after acquired by Synopsys, it will be more expensive,
we will then step away from it further.
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BAD news, being EVE user and non-SNPS user.
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BAD news, concentrated tools are always a kick against competition.
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GOOD NEWS: We use EVE ZEBU, the base technology is good, but sometimes
EVE's support is not the quickest on the block. I expect Synopsys to
shape it up and put the resources into it to make it a solid platform.
BAD NEWS: Synopsys will charge customers through the nose for it.
BAD NEWS: Now with Synopsys and Cadence both owning emulation solutions,
it will squeeze out any real innovation.
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BAD. It means the SpringSoft ProtoLink Probe Visualizer will die.
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Neutral.
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Good News, since it enhances SNPS' emulation for large SoCs.
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Neutral. We don't use EVE.
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NEUTRAL : because we don't use EVE, Palladium instead.
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