( ESNUG 465 Item 11 ) ------------------------------------------- [06/28/07]
Subject: Brett defends the honor of SystemC, but no Moshe for Specman "e"
> I heard that Brett Cline of Forte was pissed about how the SystemC use
> numbers dropped in the recent 2007 Verification Census. I also heard that
> Moshe Gavrielov of Verisity-Cadence was also quite miffed about hearing
> his much beloved Specman "e" numbers also dropping in that same census.
> I'd love to hear their thoughts on that data.
>
> - from http://www.deepchip.com/wiretap/070618.html
From: Brett Cline <bcline=user domain=forteds bot calm>
You are wrong, John.
I'm not PO'd that 'SystemC use numbers dropped' in your Verification Census;
because they didn't. I am PO'd because you claimed they dropped when you
have no evidence that this is even the case. I am trying to figure out why
you still said in your headline:
DVcon07-11 "SystemC use dropped by 1/2 in the past 2 years"
when you had no idea what the trend actually was. Gary Smith cautioned you
BEFORE you posted your survey that you could not cite a trend here because
you had asked two *different* questions about SystemC in your 2005 and 2007
surveys: One on expected future usage and one on actual usage. Way to go
with the survey, "Nielson"!
So, the baseline number you found is 23% of designers are using SystemC in
a current project. I will accept that, even though more than 50% of the
people that Forte speaks with are using SystemC already.
But there is still the unanswered question: Is SystemC usage growing? Forte
sees it growing -- most significantly in the US, based on new interest among
the prospects there. But in terms of 'hard data' OSCI membership grew 24%
from 2005 and 2007, from 25 to 31 companies. This includes non-EDA vendors
such as ARM, Intel, NXP, ST Micro, Broadcom, Canon, Freescale, Infineon, and
NEC. The number of OSCI downloads grew 40% from April 2005 to April 2007
from 211,840 to 297,511.
Come on John, it's time let go of your bias! SystemC has solid traction in
the design community.
- Brett Cline
Forte Design Systems Acton, MA
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Editor's Note: Even though I asked, I'm told by Cadence Marketing that
Moshe decided "to pass" on why his Specman "e" numbers dropped. - John
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