( DAC'20 Item 05x ) ----------------------------------------------- [10/21/21]
Subject: ... and Big 3 vendors launched new HW in 2021 and users want scoops!
A FLOOD OF INQUIRIES: In 2021, after Anirudh did his Big Push launching his
two new HW boxes -- plus Aart also launched his new Zebu EP1 -- plus Ravi
also launched his new Veloce Primo ...
... I got flooded with requests from users seeking independent user benchmarks
of the two new Cadence boxes vs. their SNPS & MENT counterparts vs. each other.
Not just a few requests; I'm talking a flood!
USER EMAILS I GOT ASKING ABOUT PALLADIUM Z2 OR PROTIUM X2
OR ZEBU EP1 OR VELOCE PRIMO OVER MARCH-APRIL-MAY 2021
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Did you see the Cadence home page today?
Do you have any benchmarks around their new boxes?
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Have Z1 vs. Z2 benchmarks you can share?
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My boss wants me to see if you have any data on how the new
Palladium Z2 stacks against their current Palladium Z1.
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You're usually on top of stuff like this Cadence news.
Got any dirt on Palladium Z2 that you can share?
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Seek benchmarks of Cadence X2 vs. Zebu Server 4
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What's the story on this Cadence Protium X2?
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Benchmarks on Zebu Server 4 against Protium X2?
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have any data on the new chip in the new Palladiums?
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Seek details about the new Palladium processor chip
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Is it true that the Protium X2 and Zebu EP1 both use the
exact same Xilinx VU19P FPGAs?
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Are there any know hardware differences in the VU19P's used
by Synopsys vs. Cadence?
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Do you know the process node of the new Palladium Z2 uP?
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Got anything from users to confirm/deny all the Z2 and X2
claims that Cadence is making now?
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would love to see Z2 against Z1 perf/capacity numbers
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have anything on Z1 vs. Z2?
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seeking Z1/Z2 comparision benchmarks
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Could you connect me with any Palladium Z2 users who are
doing dynamic power analysis?
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Is there a DPA option to the new Palladiums yet?
Can anyone confirm that it works?
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See the new Z2 announcement today?
Why does Synopsys do their HW/SW dynamic power analysis in their
Zebu prototyper, while Cadence does it in their Palladium emulation?
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Do you have benchmarks of the new Mentor Primo prototyper against
the new Cadence Protium X2 and the new Synopsys ZeBu EP1?
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what's your take on the new ZeBu EP1?
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busy two months.
got any users who benchmarked Protium X2 vs Veloce Primo
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We do a lot of ICE.
Any ICE benchmarks of Veloce Primo vs. Palladium Z2?
Why does Cadence do ICE in Palladium instead of Protium?
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Aart has ZeBu EP1. Anirudh has Protium X2. Ravi has Veloce Primo.
All three are based on Xilinx VU19P FPGAs.
So which out of SNPS/CDNS/MENT has the better SW?
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Synopsys says Zebu EP1 runs 10 Mhz. What's the Mhz for Protium X2?
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If we were doing in-circuit emulation with Protium X2 and Zebu EP1,
which would be better and why?
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SNPS has Zebu Empower.
Why haven't MENT nor CDNS made their own power-optimized prototypers,
too?
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John -- what's the top Mhz that you've heard Protium X2 can run?
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For G5 applications, which of these new generation prototypers is best?
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got any Veloce Strato+ / Palladium Z2 benchmarks?
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Siemens EDA PR implies Strato+ and Primo have a unified compile like
Palladium/Protium has -- but it goes out of the way to not actually
say they have a unified compile like Palladium/Protium has. Why?
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Primo offloads Strato+
Protium X2 offloads Palladium Z2
which has the lowest overall cost of ownership?
have any actual $$$ amounts in comparing the two sets of tools?
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functional ECOs are quick with Palladiums
do i lose that with Protiums? how about the new X2?
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Is it true that Cadence wants to promote CPF over UPF with the
upgrade to Palladium X2? We're heavily invested in SDL triggers
for our power analysis (which are UPF based) and don't know if
migrating them over to CPF is easy or even possible.
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Are the new Palladium and Protium 100% backwards compatible with
their earlier Z1 and X1 versions?
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this is probably a long shot. do you have any customers who have
done a benchmark of Zebu EP1 with Protium Z2? could you give us
their contact? or could you forward their results to us?
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What are the major differences between Veloce Strato+ and this
new rev of Palladium?
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do you have anything on the new Veloce Primo boxes, John?
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Siemens told us their new 2.5D Crystal 3+ chip is stacked 28nm die
that's a temporary stop gap until their Crystal 4 chip comes out.
Do you have any specs on the new Palladium Z2 chip? Anything?
The Cadence folks are being very tight-lipped about it.
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Strato+ says it emulate 15 Billion gates.
Palladium Z2 says it emulate 10 Billion gates.
ZeBu EP1 says it emulate 2 Billion gates.
I know 2 B gate chips. Who today is designing 10+ B gate chips?
I know no-one at 10+ B gates. IBM 2nm test chip maybe?
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Primo, EP1, X2 are VU19Ps.
if EP1 can do 10 Mhz, can Primo & X2 also do 10 Mhz?
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my guys are looking for fresh user Palladium Z2 data.
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FML.
my boss wants relative speed benchmark data of Xcelium
runs compared to Palladium Z2 runs. or if you have relative
Protium X2 data, that would be cool, too.
i'm sure you don't have this but i have to ask.
he is trying to impress his boss with "an engineering cost
analysis" between these tools.
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have any Z1 vs. Z2 reports?
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Are these two CDNS HW announcements actually real, John?
Are either used on production-level verification today???
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Why are Aniridh's guys so evasive about the new uP in their Z2?
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what's the max Mhz you've heard from a user using the Protium X2?
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is Cadence e-o-l their UPF support to push CPF support on us
instead in their new hardware?
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if all 3 all use VU19P's, how different can their boxes be?
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