( ESNUG 496 Item 4 ) -------------------------------------------- [12/15/11]
Subject: And the 10% happy users, 9% neutral users to a SNPS-LAVA merger
YAY, FREE LAVA TOOLS: The 10% of users who liked the idea of SNPS-LAVA
liked it because they saw this as "YAY, we can now get LAVA tools with
our SNPS licenses!" and "YAY, SNPS might be able to take CDNS in full
custom now!".
"I'd like to hear what you think of this SNPS-LAVA merger. Is it
good news for you? Bad news? Neutral? Why do you think this?"
Here's how the 208 EDA users responded:
The SNPS-LAVA merger is
BAD : ######################################### 81%
GOOD : ##### 10%
NEUTRAL : #### 9%
This SNPS-LAVA merger is GOOD overall because:
we get LAVA tools w/ SNPS license : ### 7%
helps SNPS compete vs. CDNS Virtuoso : ## 4%
This SNPS-LAVA merger is NEUTRAL overall because:
I don't use LAVA tools : ## 4%
"I'd like to hear what you think of this SNPS-LAVA merger. Is it
good news for you? Bad news? Neutral? Why do you think this?"
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Good.
What's not to like? We'll be able to switch ICC and Talus licenses
at whim and PrimeTime will significantly improve. This is good news.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Good.
Any Magma technology that can get sucessfully absorbed into the
Synopsys flow will only make it better.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Good. Anything that improves SNPS tools is a win for us.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Definitely is a good news.
Synopsys portfolio - that's already impressive - will get benefits from
a lot patent solutions by Magma, even when products overlaps.
For digital: Lynx integration with Magma solutions should be a very
great dream. e.g. with mixed solutions in CTS, useful-skew, scan
insertion, physical synthesis, assisted partitioning or automatic
placing, and thousands of other possibilities. Definitely designers
will take the best.
Only question is about the license costs!!! Any plan about them?
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Both.
It is good news because in short-term we will get access to Magma's new
technology solutions which was off-limits due to separate companies.
It is bad for someone who does an EDA deal down the road.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I will be interested to see what happens to Magma's superior database.
LAVA has a single data representation that is used by all tools (unlike
Liberty plus Milkyway that Synopsys claims are somehow one format) and
it is used natively in LAVA -- it is not translated into another internal
format that is used by the tools. This gives LAVA an advantage when you
need different tools working in a tight loop, such as incremental
routing, parasitic extraction, and timing analysis as you try to fix a
timing problem.
Without rewriting Synopsys tools there would be no way to take advantage
of the Magma database anyway, so I wonder if this will be a 3rd database
format that Synopsys will carry into the future.
- John Weiland of Abraxas Corporation
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Neutral. I did not use Magma tools.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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This is huge. This again proves in EDA the better you are, the closer
you are to the point of losing your company.
On the positive side, thanks to the generosity of SNPS, Rajeev is getting
an opportunity to start something even hotter than LAVA.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I see this positive. Magma as a company needed more stability. I could
not see them as strategic partner. SNPS will gain especially in Analog
simulation area. My team would hope to get rid of Milkyway but I guess
this won't happen.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Surprising, very surprising. But I'm neutral on its impact. Magma's P&R
tools have fallen out of favor with ICC being our preferable tool anyhow.
And for "Fast SPICE" stuff, any of several tools seem to have tight HSPICE
correlation.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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For me this news is neutral because I don't use Magma tools directly.
But the backend engineers I work with use Magma tools and they told me
that it's bad news for them because now they have to learn ICC and
PNR tool pricing will go up. Less competition now.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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I could see it is a bad deal for SNPS.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Neutral.
We're safe. We've had Synopsys in-house for years. They won't take
revenge on us.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Don't care. We only design FPGA's here. Those tools are free/cheap.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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Don't care. I'm in verification. It's an unsolvable problem with
fierce competition.
- [ An Anon Engineer ]
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