( ESNUG 423 Item 2 ) -------------------------------------------- [02/26/04]
Subject: U.S. Jobs Exported To India & China Questions
I've watched these last few years as high-tech jobs are outsourced to
India, China, etc. As an engineer, my question would be, "With many
workers here in the US out of work, how do justify shipping jobs overseas?
As an EE Professor at the University of Southern California (part-time
faculty), my question would be, "EE students face a very tight and
uncertain job market in engineering. Why should anyone pursue an EE degree
since job availability and job security are questionable?"
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How long do you think it will take for all engineering jobs to transfer
to India, thereby putting in jeopardy our national defense? What is your
personal timetable for completing this transformation?
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The question to ask is: "Are you hiring?" So many companies are outsourcing
jobs overseas to countries like India all to save a buck or two, how long
will it be before they collapse the economy? The people here in the U.S.
want to know if they plan to hire and keep things here in the U.S. or if
they plan to send it all overseas so that the U.S. only has the
"managers" -- up until the point, that is, that the other countries realize
they don't need "managers".
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All of the companies must have been hit to some extent by the downturn.
Why didn't they see it coming and prepare for it better? How can they
avoid being hit so much by the next downturn?
After such a long downturn, with so many redundancies and pay freezes,
what do they think the biggest problem with motivating employees is
going to be over the next year?
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Will there be US customers for EDA tools in 10 years, or will all the design
work be done by outsources in Asia? Will the expectation that tool cost
will also go down as labor cost drops?
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I would ask them all, "Can I have a job? I love writing sofware and doing
electronics and thinking about Physics."
- David May, 408/629-2489
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For all - Are you planning to outsource jobs overseas?
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I would ask them some pretty rude questions about their practices of hiring
foreign workers. It is against the law to hire H1-Bs for the purpose of
laying off US citizens, and it is against the law to pay them less than US
citizens, and I would like to see some of these guys go to Club Fed.
- Cadence has hired 473 H1-B immigrants in the last four years.
- Synopsys is also guilty, at 208 H1-B workers.
- Mentor has hired 145 H1-B immigrants in the last four years.
- Magma has hired 50.
- Synplicity has hired 43.
- Forte has hired 3.
- Reed Elsevier (who publish EDN) has hired 55.
These totals do not include H1-Bs hired since October, 2003, or 'guest
workers' hired under the L-1, TN-1, or W visa programs.
Every one of these foreign workers represents an American who is out of
work. As far as I am concerned, these guys are the "Benedict Arnold"
companies that John Kerry has been talking about.
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What's their position on the outsourcing of engineering jobs to foreign
countries? Do they practice it now? If so, what is the percentage of
staff that they have in foreign countries? If they don't, will they
within the next year?
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There is much buzz in the US engineering community regarding off-shoring
of engineering jobs over cost (basically). This concern is across the
board; HW to SW, EDA vendor to EDA user, algorithms to databases to GUI,
etc. Regarding the concern in *your* companies US Engr community (and it
is there, trust me), why should *your* people not be looking for
employment elsewhere at this point in time?
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Yes, you could ask them, why do they keep moving jobs to India? Because it
is good for America? They make millions, they don't have enough?? 15% of
Americans make nothing, they are hungry. Those guys make millions,
still not enough??? Do YOU dare ask?
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1. Are you guys planning to relocate more operations to India?
2. Has the quality of work that has come out matched what is obtained over
here.
3. Is this the new trend in EDA: get expensive/extensive software that is
avoided over here developed in India/overseas? Are there new problems that
you can handle because of this extra man power that were begging to be
solved previously?
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As Taiwan and (inevitably) China move up the electronics value-added food
chain by adding "Designed in China" to the current "Made in China"
business and technology industry model, how is it impacting Silicon
Valley, the EDA vendor community and overall U.S. leadership in electronic
design engineering? Is there any reason to believe that the massive move
to electronics manufacturing outsourcing in the U.S. won't soon be
followed by a corresponding, and equally damaging, wave of electronic
design engineering outsourcing to places like India, Taiwan, China?
- Richard Wallace of EE Times
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With many companies exporting knowledge workers overseas what do they see
as the future for Silicon Valley? Will it continue to be the center of
gravity for high tech?
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Hello from a grad student in the University of Limerick in Ireland. I used
to live in MA. Could you please:
- Ask them if they see any sign of a pickup in the industry.
- Ask them if they have any jobs going.
I have over 10 years experience and am both Irish and American. We are
desperate to see an upturn in this semiconductors. When the US takes a
recesssion hit, Ireland gets a massive hit.
By the way all the students here use the Xilinx XE/Modelsim/Xilinx XST free
web pack tools. They are superb almost idiot proof tools.
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