( SNUG 00 Item 15 ) -------------------------------------------- [ 4/05/00 ]

 MOSTLY HOMEGROWN SOFTWARE TESTING:  If you take a look at how the SNUG'00
 attendees responded on the questions concerning the design of chips that
 have a lot of related software around them:

     low software chip design
   with no related SW testing  ############# 26%

      we build a HW prototype
       to test the related SW  ############# 26%

    we use HW/SW Co-Sim tools
       to test the related SW  ############ 25%

    We use only SW simulation
       to test the related SW  ########### 23%

          we use HW emulators
       to test the related SW  ######## 16%

 Yes, it adds up to 116 percent because design teams use mixed approaches.
 This is not my point here.  Read on.  Now take a look at these SNUG'00
 user tool use stats:

  Cadence Quickturn Emulation  ##### 11%
               IKOS Emulation  #### 9%
 Synopsys LMC Hardware Models  ### 6%
              Aptix Emulation  # 2%

       Denali Memory Products  #### 9%
     Synopsys LMC SmartModels  ##### 11%
 Mentor SEAMLESS HW/SW Co-Sim  ## 4%
 Synopsys Eaglei HW/SW Co-Sim  ## 4%
                  Cadence SPW  ### 6%
              Synopsys COSSAP  # 2%

 You'll notice that these are relatively very low numbers.  (For example,
 only 8 percent of customers are using either commercial HW/SW co-sim tool,
 yet right above a whopping 25 percent of customers claim to be using
 HW/SW co-sim tools.)  What this means is that a lot of designers are still
 using the tried-and-true Verilog-with-PLI-to-run-outside-SW approach.
 Basically, customers aren't buying as much as making their own.  The same
 holds true with prototyping:

        we prototype w/ FPGAs  ############### 31%
  we don't prototype w/ FPGAs  ################################## 69%

 when you compare the 31-percent-proto-w/-FPGAs to what their commercial
 equivalents are getting (for example, the 11 percent using Quickturn).
 Homegrown rules, which explains the percentage of Synopsys users who also
 use FPGA Compiler II:

        Synopsys FPGA Express  ###### 13%
    Synopsys FPGA Compiler II  ###### 13%

 So this might mean that Synplicity and Exemplar probably aren't as big
 Synopsys FPGA synthesis competitors as was originally thought -- they're
 in different niches.

   "The first presentation discussed the results of digital filter
    implementations in FPGAs.  The author explored FPGA use (as opposed
    to an ASIC solution) at the direction of his management.  He explored
    results compiling DesignWare components into Altera FPGAs using FPGA
    Compiler (fpga_shell) and FPGA Compiler II (fc2_shell), paying close
    attention to design power.  In summary, the results were not very good.
    The speed goals were only attained by targeting less than the number of
    desired bits in the filter.  Also, the design power was very high due
    to the SRAM lookup table architecture of FPGAs.  The conclusion was
    that FPGAs were too pricey ($2K) for the desired design (modems)."

        - an anon engineer


 Sign up for the DeepChip newsletter.
Email
 Read what EDA tool users really think.


Feedback About Wiretaps ESNUGs SIGN UP! Downloads Trip Reports Advertise

"Relax. This is a discussion. Anything said here is just one engineer's opinion. Email in your dissenting letter and it'll be published, too."
This Web Site Is Modified Every 2-3 Days
Copyright 1991-2024 John Cooley.  All Rights Reserved.
| Contact John Cooley | Webmaster | Legal | Feedback Form |

   !!!     "It's not a BUG,
  /o o\  /  it's a FEATURE!"
 (  >  )
  \ - / 
  _] [_     (jcooley 1991)