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Subject: Damn! This Means Synopsys Is Going To Kill Avanti's Smaller Tools!
From: "David Wheelock" <David_Wheelock@maxtor.com>
As a designer, it is probably a good thing. Maybe we'll eventually have a
more seamless tool flow and PhysOpt will really be a physical tool. Synopsys
can get the layout/router technology they have always wanted.
Any word on what will happen with the Avanti analog type tools? Is Synopsys
going to retain and support them? If not, this is a concern.
My other hat is as a manager controlling a tool budget. I negotiated a
purchase of PhysOpt last year. I attempted to get some leverage on my
installed DC tool base (which cost a lot!) and I was told that "Synopsys
did not have that type of cost plan." In other words, "Yes, you paid
a lot for DC, and, yes, you will pay a lot for PhysOpt".
- David Wheelock
Maxtor
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From: "Jennifer Love-Pruitt" <Jennifer.Love-Pruitt@trw.com>
John,
As a user of some of Avanti's tools (like Saber) that aren't limited to the
chip design world, I'm very concerned. I predict they'll do the same as
they did when they bought Viewlogic. They'll assimilate the tools that they
want, kill the competing tools that they want out of their way, and barf out
the rest. Woe to the users.
- Jennifer Love-Pruitt
TRW
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John,
I think it is good news, it gives us one less VPA to negotiate. ;)
Seriously, I think it is bad news for users of some Avanti products.
Synopsys has a history of taking the best and dumping the rest. It is
not clear what would happen to the former Analogy group. They have
some pretty good technology, but Synopsys has never been interested in
the mixed-signal design market -- it's too small.
I think we all knew something like this would happen.
please keep me anonymous.
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From: Rod.Rebello@Microchip.com
John,
Generally, it's probably positive and will insure that at least the place
and route related products will continue to be available and enhanced.
Avanti by themselves were on shaky ground with the legal costs including
loss of personnel.
However, I am concerned about the future viability of other products such
as Saber and Star-MTB under Synopsys. I'm also concerned about how Synopsys
will price the products. Avanti tool pricing was generally excessive, but
you could always negotiate a good discount.
- Rod Rebello
Microchip Technology, Inc.
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